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How can I install a Flash update without installing McAfee?

Aug 28, 2012 8:35 AM

  Latest reply: sinious, Oct 7, 2013 12:39 PM
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    Jul 12, 2013 3:34 PM   in reply to ReactionAtWork

    ReactionAtWork wrote:

     

    "Adobe offsets the ongoing development costs of Flash Player, which is made available for free, by offering users the option to download select software from Adobe partners."..

     

    What a load of rubbish!  So a multi-billion dollar company cannot afford to develop one of its 'free' products from the proceeds of its other obscenely overpriced paid-for products?  Are we all to bow down and thank Adobe profusely for being so lucky to be given such free software, and then thank them again for being tricked into installing unwanted crapware?

     

    As usual, Adobe insult their customers with ridiculous mealy-mouthed excuses for their endless cash grabbing (e.g. Adobe Cash Cow).

    You've obviously never run a (profitable) business in the United States, but that's beside the point.

     

    While there are a few (limited few) Adobe employees here in the forums from time to time, most of us (myself included) are just Adobe customers like you are. We don't have "ridiculous mealy-mouthed excuses" for "endless cash grabbing" because we neither run, nor work for, the company.

     

    I personally witnessed a "no opt out" install of McAfee Security Scan during and update test two nights ago. I was deliberately looking for it and was able to screen shot it. One of the VIP members here submitted a report to DEV detailing the situation and included my screen captures, but as fellow users, that was and is, the best we can do.

     

    I don't like anything installing that I didn't select or have the opportunity to opt out of and missed. However, I DO understand as a webmaster, that bandwidth costs money. So does development and updating of products that NOBODY who is downloading them... pays for. VLC Media Player, Opera. Chrome, hundreds of others... all offset their costs by using "sponsored downloads". The ONLY alternative to this is that you pay $10 or more every time you need to update so you can play "Farmville" on Facebook or watch the "cat that plays the piano" on YouTube. I don't want that any more than you do.

     
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    Jul 12, 2013 6:06 PM   in reply to Chris Campbell

    I would like to add my voice to those objecting to the way this is presented, requiring the user to opt-out of the toolbar installation process. For myself it's OK as I am aware. But many friends are not aware and then they come to me and I find this type of junk on their computer which I then have to work to remove. It's taking a lot of my time and I am NOT a big company, so it's my own time and money that is being wasted here. I strongly object to this tactic and I request Adobe to make this check box UNCHECKED by default. Really it makes one feel that Adobe is joining the ranks of so-called "freeware" companies which install junk by default. Adobe has in the past been a reputable company making large profits and is in no financial need I am sure to go begging to McAfee. The problem is that this product is now so widely used that it has become essential to many internet users and so Adobe have us over a barrel. I do hope that something can be done about this as I can see from the other comments in this thread that many,  many other people feel the same way.

    Please, please make this option UNCHECKED by default, so that users have to make an effort to opt-in, not to opt-out.

     
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    Jul 12, 2013 7:38 PM   in reply to mgrist

    Adobe  is doing fine financially. And will do even better as customers convert to the cloud versions 

     

    http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/pdfs/201306/Q2 13Earnings.pdf

     

     
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    Jul 15, 2013 2:19 AM   in reply to Mike M

    C F McBlob wrote:

     

     

    I don't like anything installing that I didn't select or have the opportunity to opt out of and missed. However, I DO understand as a webmaster, that bandwidth costs money. So does development and updating of products that NOBODY who is downloading them... pays for. VLC Media Player, Opera. Chrome, hundreds of others... all offset their costs by using "sponsored downloads". The ONLY alternative to this is that you pay $10 or more every time you need to update so you can play "Farmville" on Facebook or watch the "cat that plays the piano" on YouTube. I don't want that any more than you do.

     

    Bandwidth is like anything else, the more you buy the cheaper it gets.  Some companies (like some of Adobe's associates) will actually provide the bandwidth required at astonishingly reasonable rates.  Let's face it, money attracts money, therefore bandwidth is no problem for Adobe.  Once again, as I stated in an earlier post, the cost of developing this software can easily be offset against the cost of developing the editing suite, especially as the greater chunk of the software is contained within the application.

     

    Adobe have no excuse, really, for bundling leechware within their installers, especially if you have no opt out.  In the cases you present, such as Opera and VLC Media Player, what do you expect?  These are free products from companies that specialise in just that - your point is completely invalid there.

     

    Google; their primary product is advertising, selling information and their search engine, so they are in the same boat as Adobe, really, and so have no excuse for attempting to palm off software in this manner.  Christ!  They don't even pay their taxes properly in England ... or in America.

     

    The only driver in this whole show is pure, unadulterated greed.  In my humble opinion, I don't think there are any positives here that will convince anyone in this particular thread that Adobe packaging up extra software with their 'free' products is a good thing.

     
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    Jul 15, 2013 3:40 AM   in reply to mandelbrot

    @mandelbrot:  That just about sums it up perfectly.  In much the same way, do Oracle need to add that pesky check box to install the 'Ask toolbar' every time they release a Java update?  Adobe knows perfectly well that most people (as with the Java updates) will be trying to click through the update process as quickly as possible, since it is just an essential chore to be cleared, not a carefully considered software installation. They'll accidentally 'accept' the extra software and, I guess, Adobe gets a cut from McAfee.

     
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    Jul 15, 2013 5:33 AM   in reply to ReactionAtWork

    Well, you always have the option to switch to Linux and then you don't have to deal with all the "crapware" that can't be added to downloads because it doesn't run on the OS.

     
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    Jul 15, 2013 5:41 AM   in reply to Mike M

    LOL!  That's not a bad idea!

     

    -- EDIT --

     

    Just noticed a sleight mistake in my previous post, there, I said:

     

    Once again, as I stated in an earlier post, the cost of developing this software can easily be offset against the cost of developing the editing suite, especially as the greater chunk of the software is contained within the application.

     

    What I should have said was:

     

    Once again, as I stated in an earlier post, the cost of developing this software can easily be offset against the revenue generation from developing the editing suite, especially as the greater chunk of the software is contained within the application.
     
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    Jul 15, 2013 6:06 AM   in reply to cynodontia

    Adding my feedback.

    I too installed from the update notification upon bootup. I looked for a check box as I always do with installations and I even checked the address bar. I saw something about an adobe & mcafee offer set to false. Mcafee installed anyways. This was on Firefox 22.0 on Win7.

    Incorrect link perhaps

     

    I'm in the process of telling my friends so that they are prepared.

     
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    Jul 24, 2013 6:59 PM   in reply to break4me

    It is now 11 months since this question was first raised in this forum and still no change.

    Again last evening I was tricked into installing Mcafee.

    A simple grey box with the red Adobe logo popped up to install Flash Update (no mention of Mcafee).

    There was NO optout checkbox.

    Adobe is acting with ARROGANCE and DISREGARD in this matter.

    They have cheapened their credibility and trustworthiness.

     
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    Aug 11, 2013 11:20 PM   in reply to abuhirra

    I'm not sure Chris is reporting aby of these suggestions to the developers.  Nothing seems to change.  I'm now going to try to get by without using any ADOBE products.  Most of my flash usage is from sites like You Tube.  Rather than use flash I've uninstalled ALL adobe products.

     

    You tube seems to be moving away from flash and now videos are appearing in the MP4 format.  I'll be downloading the flash videos I'm interested in using a video downloader and converting them to MP4.  If this works I'll NEVER load an Adobe product on to my computer again.  The security risks and risk with LSO cookies are a pain.  The opt out McAffee is a pain.  The almost daily security patches are a pain.

     

    Goodbye Adobe!

     
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    Aug 11, 2013 11:34 PM   in reply to Annas2013

    Annas2013 wrote:

     

    The almost daily security patches are a pain.

    Updates are about every SIX WEEKS.. If you get notices daily... IT'S BECAUSE YOU REFUSE TO UPDATE WHEN YOU'RE ADVISED TO.

     

    Moot point since you're going to stop using any Adobe products anyway... Good luck with that.

     
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    Aug 13, 2013 8:46 PM   in reply to cynodontia

    Its sad that this issue has gone on so long, but at this point there are easy alternatives. And no, I don't mean "HURR DURR, DEATH TO ADOBE, LETS BOYCOTT THEIR PRODUCTS". HTML5 is getting there, slowly, (I far prefer to use youtube with the HTML5 player than the flash one at this point, for instance), but it is not quite ubiquitous enough yet (example: TED videos). Fortunately, if you are using Chrome, you don't need a flash player plugin - as a matter of fact, if you've installed one you're probably not even using it, knowingly or not.

     

    For a while now Chrome has bundled PepperFlash by default with its installation and updates. While it suffered some initial bugbears, it seems mostly matured at this point. Even if you have installed the flash player plugin for Chrome, by default PepperFlash is used, unless you have done some manual config to disable it.

     

    On a side note, could this prompt the same argument about bundled software? In my view - no. Even though it is even less obvious that this software is bundled with Chrome and there is not an opt-out feature (even a sneakily hidden one) prior to the download and installation, I feel this is a different kettle of fish, for two reasons:

    • PepperFlash is a plugin for chrome - it only runs when Chrome is running, and doesn't chew up ridiculous amounts of system resources from the time you start using your computer - unlike Mcafe or other AV solutions. It is also uninstalled when you uninstall Chrome, it's not one more program added to your 'Programs and Features' list, simply a transparent plugin for Chrome that enables flash content.
    • As has been mentioned, flash on the internet is (some might say unfortunately) everywhere. In many websites you will simply not get the full functionality (or any) without a method of interpreting flash content. In this way, the bundled software is ACTUALLY RELEVANT to the software it is bundled with. For instance, I would be far less incenced by this if what was bundled was not a full system AV, but perhaps some security constraints specifically for flash videos, to prevent some of the many exploits associated with them. An argument could be made that a web browser these days without flash functionality is as newtered as a car without seats - sure you can drive it, but it's going to be uncomfortable and your friends may laugh at you. The same argument can certainly not be made for a Flash player without McAfee.

     

    I have uninstalled the flash player plugin from my home machine (sadly I still need it at work) and have not skipped a beat. When Chrome is updated, PepperFlash is updated with it - without going through Adobe's webpage, without any other opt-in software, without them even getting the option to hawk it at me.

     

    TL;DR

    If you already use Chrome for browsing, you do not need a seperate Flash player plugin. Go uninstall it now, browse around some flash content and check that it still works for you. You will no longer have the annoying update manager bugging you every month and a half, and even if you run all your updates one morning at 3AM, after a night out on the town, without reading anything (except the EULA, you do read the EULA right? ), with your eyes closed and your mouse fixed on the "Next" button, you will still not find mcafee (or anything else for that matter) added to your 'Programs and Features' list.

    If you don't use Chrome for browsing, unless that's for a specific reason (whether that's "It's a work computer and I am forced to use IE" or "I don't trust any company with that much power" or whatever else), you can install it now, uninstall flash player, and refer to the above paragraph. I won't talk about it's other features here for fear of starting a religious war, but suffice to say it is at least as capable a browser as the other big 4.

     
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    Aug 20, 2013 2:22 AM   in reply to chrisokelly

    I was offered an automatic update for flash player (big grey dialog with red band). I accepted and the installation launched, including McAfee!

     

    I do not remember seeing any option to opt out of McAfee. Frankly I shouldn't have to; McAfee is system level software. Adobe should not, under any circumstances, be offering this as an opt-out download with a browser plugin.

     

    The short version of this story is that I lost valuable time at work unsinstalling crap that I did not ask for. Adobe Flash player has been uninstalled from this computer, will be uninstalled from my home Mac and I will be recommending that we remove it from all of our companies PC's.

     

    Adobe, you simply cannot be trusted and will have a hard time ever regaining that trust from me.

     
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    Aug 21, 2013 12:22 AM   in reply to chrisokelly

    Thank you so much for your post on google chrome not using flash player. I have been trying for a month to update flash player without luck and doing all the suggestions given by various members to no avail. I read your post and am using chrome for my browser now instead of firefox. Poof!!!!! no more problems, I can do all my games and other sites now without flash player. What a relief!!!!!! Such a simple fix and I had it installed a long time ago but just prefered using firefox. This fix needs to be highlighted for all those users being plagued by flash player and mcaffee. I can't thank you enough. Now I have no reason to come here and read all about the crap thats happening, I'm done with flash player.

     
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    Sep 11, 2013 1:56 AM   in reply to Mike M

    "Moot point since you're going to stop using any Adobe products anyway... Good luck with that."

     

    Well.  I've been totally Adobe free for one month now.  No Flash. No Adobe pdf reader.

     

    So far I've only been inconvenienced a little.  You tub flash videos can be downloaded and converted to another format and a couple of other sites prompt me to load Adobe saying that they have content that needs the plug in but so far I haven't been inconvenienced.

     

    Frankly if any site insists that I use an Adobe product well they just don't get my business.  Simple.

     

    I'll check in in a month to have another troll.

     
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    Sep 11, 2013 1:57 AM   in reply to chrisokelly

    Except that Chrome is spyware for Google.  Not that it really maters because everyone has already dropped their underpants long ago.

     
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    Oct 7, 2013 12:33 PM   in reply to cynodontia

    Adobe - [Removed profanity evasion] Yeah Im angry.

    How DARE you install other crap on my computer without my permission?

     

    My firefox displayed webpage wanted flash player (and if it wasnt free no one would use it!!!!!!!!!!)

    And i had no choice to install McAfee. This is my video editing machine - the last thing i need is ANOTHER antivirus installed causing no end of problems. So [Removed profanity evasion].

     

    Next time i go to buy some Adobe product i'll give you some un named program for your servers,

    which you'll have no choice but to install, or NO SALE.

     

    Lets see how you like it from behind!

     

    Effin Cheek!

     

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    Oct 7, 2013 12:39 PM   in reply to WebOfWebs

    Nothing is automatically installed. It has already been answered in reply #1 and extensively after that, screenshots included. This thread is now just collecting misguided comments. Please see the first few posts for the relevant details. This thread is locked.

     
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